| Name | Revelation Episode 6. The Beginning of the Third Woe |
| When | Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:00pm - All Ages |
| Where | Online From California (map) PO Box 7562 Laguna Niguel, CA, United States of America 92607-7562 |
| Name | Revelation Episode 6. The Beginning of the Third Woe |
| When | Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:00pm - All Ages |
| Where | Online From California (map) PO Box 7562 Laguna Niguel, CA, United States of America 92607-7562 |
During this broadcast you said that Cain was the son of Lucifer. Where does it say that Eve was impregnated by Lucifer? I have looked and looked and am not able to find where it says this. Do you have a chapter and verse?
I have heard Pastor Arnold Murray talk about Cain being of the serpent seed line. And that Cain and Able were twins because as Gen 4:1 says:
And Adam knew Hawwah his wife, and she conceived and bore Qayin, and said, “I have gained a man, Yahua”. And again, she gave birth to his brother Hebal.
Pastor Murray says that the word AGAIN means to continue, and Hawwah was continuing in birth process. Do you also think that Cain and Able are twins?
Check I John 3:12. Cain and Abel were not twins. There is much more to be said about this.
Dr. Sakach….. along this same line; when Seth was born , Gen. 5:3 states,” Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his OWN likeness, after his IMAGE, and named him Seth.” It does not say that about Cain or Abel. Since Adam was made in the image of Father , wouldn’t Seth also been in this image? Just a thought. I’ve studied this for a while and agree that I John 3:12 is pretty clear.
The conception and birth of Seth in Adam’s image is another of the clues that seems to indicate that Cain was not born from Adam. Cain was in the image of his father Satan. It appears also that Adam and Eve did not have sexual relations until after Cain was born. And then Eve became pregnant through Adam and gave birth to Abel. Who Cain murdered.
We have been trained from birth to underestimate the power and influence of the adversaries. It is important to know that Satan has walks about as a roaring lion seeking who he may devour. (I Peter 5:8). The shocking thing is that He could be waiting to devour everyone at the time of birth. Therefore, we must take action and resist as soon as our eyes and ears are open.
Hi Tim I feel I have to jump in here as Arnold Murray goes into a somewhat elaborate description of twins comming from 2 different fathers as a result of intercourse between 2 different males therefore his claim that Cain was of satan, however he also says that we could celebbrate the 25th of Dec as by lukes story Mary concieved on that date and Christ was born 9 months later, he definately has some different ideas.
The genesis story may have some merit but the other is a stretch, as I have said before I dont recommend him but he does come up with some interesting things, I like Enoch Robert
Well, something is obviously missing in Murray’s case. And I am continually finding Luke to be more and more corrupt.
The more we know, the more we find out we did not know. What a great deception! May we all have ‘eyes to see and ears to hear’. I know that is what I am praying. The origin of Cain explains so much of what happens in this world. I also read that the Flood was for the children of Israel and only for their end except for Noah and his family. So theoretically the seed of Cain remains. Any insight on that would be appreciated, Dr. Sakach. Thank you.
Shalom.
I don’t quite understand your comment about the children of Israel. They did not exist until hundreds of years after the flood.
Whether or not the offspring of Cain still exists has been a point of speculation. One thing that is true is that the father of Cain and one-third of the messengers do exist, and they do now and will bring even greater trouble to the earth and the people.
I am trying to work this out, these are all questions that I have been pondering.
If Cain was of Lucifers seed line , wouldn’t he be a giant? All the other fallen messengers who “cross bred” with human women had giants, why would Cain be any different?
When I look at 1 John 3 and read the whole chapter, it almost sounds like it is saying that the distinction between followers of El and followers of Lucifer is that El’s people are righteous and Lucifers are sinners.
Go back up to 1 John 3:8 :
“The one doing sin is of the devil, because the devil has sinned from the beginning . For this purpose the Son of El was manifested: to destroy the works of the devil.”
Sinners are of Satan and the Righteous are of El. If you think of it as seed – blood lines, what about all the Kings that came after Solomon? Every other king was evil. One king was a good king, the next one was evil king. So would I be correct in saying that the bad kings were literally of satan’s seed? Or that they were evil like Satan?
If you look at the verse below, are we to take it for face value?
Matt 16:23 “But He turned and said to Kepha, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for your thoughts are not those of El, but those of men.”
Am I to believe that Kepha was Satan? Or was Yahushua speaking metaphorically?
I have read all the Forgotten books of Eden, I have not found anything in those books to say that Cain was of Lucifer. (Lots of stuff to say that Cain and Able WERE NOT TWINS with each other.) The first book of Adam and Eve Chapter 73 and 74.
In Jubilees Chapter 4, gives a time frame when the kids were born. The question would be, what year were Adam and Hawwah removed from Garden of Eden?
“And in the third week in the second jubilee she gave birth to Cain, and in the fourth she gave birth to Abel, and in the fifth she gave birth to her daughter Awan. And in the first (year) of the third jubilee, Cain slew Abel because (God) accepted the sacrifice of Abel, and did not accept the offering of Cain. ”
Then in Jasher chapter 1: we read :
“And the Lord God drove them that day from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which they were taken, and they went and dwelt at the east of the garden of Eden; and Adam knew his wife Eve and she bore two sons and three daughters.
Genesis 4:1, And Adam knew Hawwah his wife, and she conceived and bore Qayin, and said, “I have gained a man, Yahua”
What am I missing?
I am not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand!
Concerning your first question, why should Cain be the same as the others?
Spiritually speaking it is true that all who follow after unrighteousness and crookedness would be son’s of Lucifer.
You appear to be trying to reconcile what “appears” to be different as being the result of one thing. Satan causes people to become “his” by deception which is the same, Spiritually speaking, as causing them to become “pregnant” or at least “conceived” as a consequence of “evil seed.” From that point on those so deceive “give birth” to wrong-doing and crookedness. The TRUE Spiritual conception also applies to the Father EL and his Children as explained in John 1. If Eve did conceive physically as a result of being deceived by and by sex with Lucifer, then she was also impregnated in her spirit by Lucifer’s lies and twisting of Yahua’s words, right? In fact, the deception had to happen prior to the fatal action that followed. Furthermore, both Adam and Eve hid themselves and covered their “nakedness” with leaves. Why? From whom did they get the idea that they needed to be ashamed? If they did not know anything else, they would have not have done those things. Some idea was placed in their minds that was perverting their thoughts about each of them individually and about their relationship with each other, and, of course, with Yahua!
We need to be aware of how this deception works so that we can resist it and turn to Yahua and His instructions and commands. In Revelation 12, if the “Dragon” tried to devour the “man-child” when He was born, would he not also try to devour each of us also? In fact, we are born into the Beast system and devoured at birth. And only by the will and desire of the Father can we be delivered from it. Also John 1.
The most important fact to realize in this world is that the whole world is or has been deceived by the Satans. From that state, we must all be delivered.
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